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Is it just me?

Postby m0lsx » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:14 pm

I saw the following on Southgate ARC's news site.

Tips and Tricks for New and Existing Trainers
Video of the presentation given by Derek Hughes G7LFC and Alison Hughes M6COV at the 2017 RSGB Convention


QRZ shows that M6COV last modified her page in July 21015. So still being an M6 after over 30 months, she is clearly dedicated to the concept (& licence condition,) of amateur radio as a hobby of self learning.
Am I the only one that feels that the fact that someone can hold a foundation amateur radio licence for the best part of three years & still comfortable standing up & saying I will show you how to be a good trainer is why the hobby is in the mess it's in, standards wise?

Edited to add. This is not someone who helps train new foundation licensees. She is part of the train the trainers group. Yet she has not progressed her own licence beyond foundation level in way over 2.5 years of being licenced.
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Re: Is it just me?

Postby Darkstar » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:24 pm

Hi Alan Maybe she has had teaching experience in a field other than amateur radio, as the teaching principals and skills are still relevant.
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Re: Is it just me?

Postby G4RMT » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:50 pm

I'm not sure that applies Alan. It's perfectly normal for people with open qualification to train other people if their skill set makes it possible. When I worked for an exam board, I frequently trained people who had far more qualifications than me - in their own areas. Indeed, when I was doing this I remember thinking it very odd that I was training examiners to examine an A Level subject, and some of them had Doctorates in Music - but my strength was technology in music, plus management. I'd like to think I was a decent trainer, and competent Principal Examiner - yet I personally didn't;t have an A Level in the subject because, when I was doing mine, the subject didn't exist. The lady in question took an entry level exam - and perhaps it does all she needs. She could take, but doesn't need, the full licence?

A friend is a proper radio expert, and installs, calibrates and aligns aircraft landing systems and radio coms at a busy airport. He has a novice licence.
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Re: Is it just me?

Postby m0lsx » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:06 pm

My main point is our licence makes it clear that one of the main conditions for issue, is that it is issued for "Self Learning."
Regardless of this woman's qualifications away from amateur radio, if she lacks the ability or the desire to self learn beyond foundation level, then should she be allowed to be involved in the training of the trainers? As the message the RSGB are giving, by allowing this, is that self learning is not desirable or required.
I am not criticising her for not being a full licence holder. I am saying that during almost three years, despite being part of the working group for train the trainers. She has lacked any personal commitment to that training, beyond advancement within the politics of it. Surely if she believes in training & self learning, she would have a desire to learn & advance beyond Foundation level herself?
There is no major commitment in time or any requirement for big intellectual ability to gain an Intermediate licence. Yet in well over two & a half years she has not felt the need to even take this small step.
For me this is about the message it sends out. How can the RSGB be committed to improving training & thus the long term survival of the hobby, if it's own train the trainers work group has people involved who do not have any commitment to that principal?
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Re: Is it just me?

Postby m0lsx » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:28 pm

Just to add. My dislike of this situation is not the fact that someone has held an foundation for close to three years & is working within the RSGB. It is that they are involved in train the trainers. Yet clearly lack any commitment to that very same training.
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Re: Is it just me?

Postby G4RMT » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:38 pm

I sort of see your point, if the trainer trainer is an RSGB 'ambassador' - but what if they are jujt very good at training, and were chosen for the training job because they are great at it? An effective trainer very often doesn't need to be immersed in a discipline. They know the specification. They know the things that must be done, and they know about quality standards and procedures. I'm not sure if being a ham radio trainer trainer, as in training the people who do the training needs ham radio skills? Sure, they're always handy, but the people at the radio clubs who do the training are hopefully the experts - they need support in how to do it, how to assess competencies and how to manage the paperwork.

Do the office people at the RSGB have ham licences? Some might, but it's not part of the job description in exactly the same way that Consultants at hospitals don't need a medical qualified person to manage their clerical and clinic work.

I see no issues with this at all - and in fairness, she'd not be doing the job if her results were poor.
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