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Nutters & radios.

Postby m0lsx » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:45 pm

I saw the following on ebay for £150 :shocker: :shocker: :huh:

RadioShack 20-125 Spirit Box/Ghost Box.
This Radio has been modified to continuously scan radio frequencies across all bands FM/AM/SW It is in perfect working order and is one of the best spirit boxes in use today in the paranormal field. The box has its marks and has been used on a regular basis while investigating but is in good condition and everything works perfect. It is in better condition than most and yields great results. The radio takes three AA battery's and is also mains using a 6v adapter (not supplied)


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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RadioShack-20-125-Spirit-Box-Ghost-Box-/322757155696?hash=item4b25d35b70:g:hWUAAOSwR21Zv6Y9

A further check on ebay also found the following for £50.

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Sprit box for Ghost Hunting.
These are best used with external powered speaker recommended.
Scans forward in fm only
Sorry there is no best offer I am unable to remove from listing


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spirit-Ghost-Box-Paranormal-Ghost-Hunting-equipment-/272852163638?hash=item3f87419c36:g:Cg4AAOSwrlRZv7LL

Or how about a Memorex 2Xtreme for £120??

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Increasingly rare Memorex 2Xtreme Radio
Hacked for use as a spirit box
Good used condition.
Sweeps forward and backwards
Perfect for use in paranormal investigations etc
You will need to use a speaker with this (not included)


Maybe we should sell our scanners as spirit/ghost boxes for ten times what they are worth. The gullible are it seems eager for them.
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Re: Nutters & radios.

Postby G4RMT » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:47 pm

I like to think I am sound minded, and science conscious but I've worked with some great psychics over the years and while clearly sometimes they are guessing wildly, I have never been able to catch them out, and they genuinely believe. I'd like to find proof they are making it up - but sometimes it is just weird. Doing a show with the late Colin Fry, who was a really nice guy, he said that overtime I got close to him, he kept hearing people's names being read out. He suddenly said Adolf Hitler, Liberace, Princess Anne, Harold Wilson,and Eric Clapton? We were all mystified. Next day we had a dance show come in and one of their piece of music was a very odd jazz style almost rap thing - and suddenly in the middle of it were all these names being read out. The dance school was a local one, so no way would he have known anybody. It's very strange!
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Re: Nutters & radios.

Postby M0LFO » Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:05 am

I'm sorry, but it's all a complete load of rubbish, there is no such thing as ghost or spirits. Coincidences, yes, ghosts, no.

"Spirit boxes"? Do me a favour, they're just ripping off the gullible.
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Re: Nutters & radios.

Postby Nighthawk999 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:22 am

M0LFO wrote:I'm sorry, but it's all a complete load of rubbish, there is no such thing as ghost or spirits. Coincidences, yes, ghosts, no.

"Spirit boxes"? Do me a favour, they're just ripping off the gullible.

Well,explain this?Around 20 years ago,I did security work at a large warehousing complex(no longer there)on the outskirts of Leicester.
There was a poltergeist active in the area of one of the warehouses,and there were company(Walkers Snackfoods)records to show that exorcists had been brought in to remove said poltergeist,to no avail.
I witnessed on one occasion a fire extinguisher flying through the air,when no other staff were onsite.Explain??
Further,I called in a police dog-handler friend with his German Shepherd one night to search the warehouse,they got a few feet inside and the dog's hackles were up and it was snarling and couldn't get out quick enough..Once again,no staff onsite.
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Re: Nutters & radios.

Postby M0LFO » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:30 pm

I don't have to explain any anecdote from anyone. People will see what they want to see. If the paranormal were true it'd be all over the news, just as it would be if there were proof of intelligent alien life. Everyone has a camera on their phone and CCTV is everywhere, but nothing happens. Sometimes our cat acts a bit odd, are you saying animals are more aware of ghosts than other life forms? I don't suppose the flies or insects were acting a bit odd? Why dogs?

To instantly jump to "it must be ghosts" is a bit of a stretch. So many people have died before us, where are all the ghosts? I don't believe in ghosts any more I do one of the 9000 or so gods humanity has invented.
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Re: Nutters & radios.

Postby Nighthawk999 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:54 pm

All I can say about the dog is that his handler said he'd never seen it react like that before.Police dogs are generally known for not showing fear under most circumstances they experience, ie arrests etc.
I saw exactly the same reaction from one in the 1970s when called to the dance hall I was working at,and we thought there was an intruder in the bar on the top floor whilst the place was closed to the public on a Sunday afternoon.
We were later told by the manager that the bar was in fact haunted.I've no wish or desire to argue over all this,I suppose some people believe in the existence of ghosts/spirits or whatever name they want to attach,and some don't.
The existence of the malevolent one at the Walkers Snackfoods site was well documented by their management.
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Re: Nutters & radios.

Postby G4RMT » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:10 am

I work a great deal with mediums, and have education wise, a science background. I've spent lots of time with these people backstage, in cars, and socialising with them in various states of sobriety - and none have ever given a hint they don't believe it. Clearly, there is a huge element of showmanship, and in a room full of pensioners, mostly female out of 1200, quite a few will know an Ethel or a Florence, which helps enormously, and I've seen some big names fall flat when they only have small groups, but one of them got accused of the technology cheating that one of the famous ones got caught using - in ear receiver with the tour manager prompting them from backstage. One poor guy (Colin Fry) was pretty deaf, and needed hearing aids, but they really were just hearing aids - but lots assumed they were for cheating. Colin Fry also got his spirit messages while you were talking to him, casually ignored them, and carried on. We were backstage, about an hour before a show, and he stopped mid flow - "can you hear that?" What? I said - "that music?" - the background music outside was playing Diamonds are Forever. He said he'd been hearing this all afternoon in the dressing room. In that room it's very quiet - people sleep in there, there is no music? During the show two hours later, one of the people in the audience revealed his father had been an actor, and had worked with some famous people, and of course, he worked on a James Bond film.

I can find no cheating, but equally, no science. I cannot explain some of the very specific and detailed stuff they come out with, that they cannot know, but do. People who have had terrible things happen in the past that they seems to know about, and the detail is sometimes simply astounding. If they are cheating, somehow, I cannot find it. I have looked, I have even been very, very nosey secretly - think radio microphones, and nothing has ever hinted that they are 'acting'. Some are definitely a bit odd, but when you experience people agitated, angry, almost explosively furious, my gut reaction is that at these times people cannot be pretending - what you are seeing is their real selves, and none of them ever slip up, or say anything they shouldn't.

I have no proof it's a scam. I have no proof it's real. Until I find evidence one way or other, my mind is open. Science screams sham - gullible people being taken in, but while I'd like to think this, I have no proof. It's very annoying, as I also work with stage illusionists, and have even been the bloke on stage moving the boxes, catching the flaming torches, throwing the magicians swords, removing the illusions from the stage and setting up others. I know how all the tricks are done, and know that I could never do it because I don't have the showmanship or precision they have (and am too fat to fit in many of the props). These people never pretend anything is real - it's all illusion. Mediums, stage or private, never seem to ever be putting things on - their stage presence is the same as their private one - weird!

If I ever get proof or evidence, I'm happy to have an opinion. At the moment, I'm just uncertain? I'd love a decent scam, and to be fair, having the local papers and obituaries online before they visit towns must be an advantage, because many people who attend the public shows are damaged in some way, grasping for anything - but again, I have never seen any of them reading the local papers. I'd do it, but they don't seem to?
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Re: Nutters & radios.

Postby m0lsx » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:40 pm

My other hobby is magic, specifically mentalism.
For mentalism think of people like Uri Geller, Derren Brown & that sort of thing.
Many mentalists work as physic entertainers, some as magicians. Some even run ghost events in haunted buildings or work the psychic fair circuit etc.
The psychology of parapsychology is something that offends a lot of people, as it challenges personal & often deep held beliefs.
Parapsychologists call believers sheep & non believers goats, whilst mentalists refer to believers as shut eyes. However some of both are open minded & some of both have closed minds & some of both are sheeple.
In all areas of magic knowing how a trick works is often disappointing & in mentalism that is often doubly so, as it makes some people feel they are being called foolish as it all seems all too simple when they are told how.
One big area of psychic entertainment that comes into play is how our memory works & it's not as simple as people think. In fact thinking is part of the problem.
First we remember something. And we can & do often miss remember things. Next we store it, which is not as simple as you think, as every time we think about that memory we alter it slightly & of course we sometimes we only recall or store part of of what we saw/experienced.
Memory it's self is unreliable & prone to a large number of issues. Psychologists refer to memory errors. This could be where we can remember something as true when it never even happened.
We also get what psychologists call misattribution. For example, in scientific studies people who believe in paranormal events have"misattributed" normal events & even what they have been told are magic acts to paranormal occurrences. Because we naturally use our belief system & what we believe to be true & real to understand the world around us.
We also have conformation bias & availability error. These two account for many incidences of miscarriages of justice & medical misdiagnosis as they cause misattribution.
Conformation bias causes us to seek out and pay more heed to, information which confirms our pre held views and opinions. Availability error makes conformation bias even more likely to happen as it is a natural tendency to pay more heed to. That is give more notice to & more easily remember, something. Or for it to get our attention, when it fits our belief system. As experiences, data, facts, which we find easier to think about and imagine, we find it easier to remember. We thus find that, that which we believe in, is more memorable & thus we give far less attention to, or even completely forget about that which doesn’t fit our belief system.
And the above is without the art, performance & skills of psychic entertainment / mentalism. Which can easily explain away most of what we can term psychic entertainment.
Not every mentalist is a non believer. I am not alone is coming to mentalism via a background in occultism. For many years I belonged to a well known occult group & I became interested in the performance side of psychic entertainment as a result of working as a hypnotist for a few years.
I never met him, or saw him perform live. But I do have a lot of respect for Colin Fry, as people like him help people. A good psychic, helps people & do not just take them for every penny they can.
My understanding is that Colin came to entertainment via the Spiritualist Church & that for me made him very different to the likes of some others. Who I will not name.
For me. My time spent working in mental health taught me that rigidity of thought is a symptom of a very unhealthy mind. So I let others believe what they want to believe & I give respect to good people where I see them.
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Re: Nutters & radios.

Postby m0lsx » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:04 pm

Just to add.
Teller of Penn & Teller wrote an article for The Smithsonian Magazine. It is worth the read.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/teller-reveals-his-secrets-100744801/

Neuroscientists are novices at deception. Magicians have done controlled testing in human perception for thousands of years.


Magic’s about understanding—and then manipulating—how viewers digest the sensory information.


Nothing fools you better than the lie you tell yourself......When a magician lets you notice something on your own, his lie becomes impenetrable.


If you are given a choice, you believe you have acted freely. This is one of the darkest of all psychological secrets.


Magic is an art, as capable of beauty as music, painting or poetry. But the core of every trick is a cold, cognitive experiment in perception...
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