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Re: Help for a total novice - festivals

Postby m0lsx » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:46 pm

Davie Boy wrote:
m0lsx wrote:This is NOT an extra channel that other manufacturers fail to use. It is just one of the same licence free channels that everyone else has to use.


Not quite.... the binatone hidden channel is on 447.00625.... outside the PMR446 usual range :wink:


That is not a legal EU licence free frequency, so the radio is not EU compliant if used on that frequency. If anyone is going to pirate, you may as well just use a 5 watt handheld & a sensible & quiet frequency that is not programmed into other handhelds. There are no shades of illegality, just shades of seriousness, in the way the infringement is seen in the sentencing stages, or in the, is it worth bothering with stage.
And lets be realistic. Unless you are using a completely stupid frequency, the chances of Ofcom getting a complaint & then getting out & actually catching you using the radio within a few days are so remote, that they are non existent.
Regular use in one area over a prolonged period will increase the risks significantly. But a few days use in one location & if you are sensible in frequency choice, is almost zero risk. And personally what I would do is use the £75 for 5 year frequencies without a licence. As unless Ofcom actually talks to someone they know are using those frequencies, who is to say who is legal or illegal?

Edited to add. The 5 year licence works out at less than 5p per day. So any guesses on how seriously Ofcom will view reports of unlicensed or unwanted use there?
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Re: Help for a total novice - festivals

Postby Southwales » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:57 pm

m0lsx wrote:
Davie Boy wrote:
m0lsx wrote:This is NOT an extra channel that other manufacturers fail to use. It is just one of the same licence free channels that everyone else has to use.


Not quite.... the binatone hidden channel is on 447.00625.... outside the PMR446 usual range :wink:


That is not a legal EU licence free frequency, so the radio is not EU compliant if used on that frequency. If anyone is going to pirate, you may as well just use a 5 watt handheld & a sensible & quiet frequency that is not programmed into other handhelds. There are no shades of illegality, just shades of seriousness, in the way the infringement is seen in the sentencing stages, or in the, is it worth bothering with stage.
And lets be realistic. Unless you are using a completely stupid frequency, the chances of Ofcom getting a complaint & then getting out & actually catching you using the radio within a few days are so remote, that they are non existent.
Regular use in one area over a prolonged period will increase the risks significantly. But a few days use in one location & if you are sensible in frequency choice, is almost zero risk. And personally what I would do is use the £75 for 5 year frequencies without a licence. As unless Ofcom actually talks to someone they know are using those frequencies, who is to say who is legal or illegal?

Edited to add. The 5 year licence works out at less than 5p per day. So any guesses on how seriously Ofcom will view reports of unlicensed or unwanted use there?


If the frequency came on what should be an EU legal pmr radio such as the binatone, then surely it would be a lot easier to play dumb if using channel 9 I think binatone would be more liable than the innocent user, but as you say the chances of ofcom prosecuting any non serious radio abuse is next to none.

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Re: Binatone hidden channel 9 447.00625

Postby Davie Boy » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:00 pm

m0lsx wrote:That is not a legal EU licence free frequency, so the radio is not EU compliant if used on that frequency. If anyone is going to pirate, you may as well just use a 5 watt handheld & a sensible & quiet frequency that is not programmed into other handhelds. There are no shades of illegality, just shades of seriousness, in the way the infringement is seen in the sentencing stages, or in the, is it worth bothering with stage.


I know but plausible deniability is very strong here.... you buy a radio from Argos and use a channel on it that is programed in it without modifying the radio.... I see that as pretty safe tbh.... nobody is allocated 447.00625.... tho 447.0000 and 447.0125 are licenced frequencies
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Re: Binatone hidden channel 9 447.00625

Postby m0lsx » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:25 pm

Davie Boy wrote:
m0lsx wrote: nobody is allocated 447.00625...


It may pay to add this to our 446 set of frequencies.
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Re: Help for a total novice - festivals

Postby Sleepyoto » Tue May 22, 2018 11:34 am

Hello,

Returning to this thread as the festival is this weekend, and I have lost the Cobras!

I didn't realise I had had further replies, and am very interested to read about this Binatone channel 9. Is it on every model, if not which ones have it? I can't see any action 950s readily available to buy,

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