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Re: IP radio

Postby m0lsx » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:32 am

Just to remind people you can load an APRS app onto Network radios, but on some they do not like it if the map is running & either crash or lock up. But they do work, just without the map.
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Re: IP radio

Postby Darkstar » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:05 am

m0lsx wrote:It is also worth noting that we never hear people talking about 137 khz or 10Ghz saying that things like network radio is going to ruin it, as it's taking users away from the hobby. So why say it about 2 & 70?
I do not know about anyone else but there are several amateur radio bands, including 1.8 MHz & 10 MHz that I have NEVER ventured onto & I do not think my non use of those bands has spoilt anyone elses hobby.
We have so many bands available, that I really do not understand why anyone would say that people replacing one or two bands that have nothing for them, with another form of comms is going to kill the hobby.



Pretty poor examples of freqs there, 137khz allows 1w erp, and a half wave antenna would be approx 10,000 mtrs in size, hardly practical, that's why this band is for experimental work only.

10ghz is also specialised and used by a few microwave operators, 10mhz is for morse users and 1.8 mhz also requires a very sizeable antenna.

My main point is that these 'pseudo ham modes' being accesable by anyone does not encourage people to make a bit of an effort to get a license, less new blood in the hobby will kill it off then folk will sit in front of there computers or on their phones reminiscing about the good old days sucking their werthers sweeties. Also how long before the muppets and foul mouths discover this great new way to annoy folk. I am not wanting to upset anyone with this, but the same thing happened with 11 mtrs cb all was well until it got legalised then the dickheads apperared and ruined it.
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Re: IP radio

Postby m0lsx » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:53 pm

I specifically chose the bands I did because they are bands used by enthusiasts & not by people who just want to chat for hours on a repeater. These bands survive, not because they are popular, but because they challenge people. They ask for something more than the ability to press a PTT.
What is killing the hobby in the largest part is the fact that too many of those coming into the hobby now have no interest in radio, or in the wider hobby. They just want to talk & as you point out that is easily achieved via the use of network radio. In the same way it was achieved by legal CB. But now, unlike in the early 80's there is no radio involved, no propagation, no need to get a licence to talk.
A few amateurs using network radio is not going to stop the spread of this form of communications.
If every single radio amateur stopped using network radio this evening, nothing would be any different on the amateur radio VHF/UHF FM spectrum tomorrow morning. The only change would be on network radio.
And what will stop Network Radios from becoming like 2 meter repeaters or CB, is that it is moderated. For example they have just said they will not tolerate people giving out information about where speed cameras are. And they regularly mention if someone dead keys the mike & ask if all is OK. You only use network radio if you have a log in & you are thus identified every time you key up & unlike on 2 meters there is a desire to keep things the way they should be & action will be taken about the half wits & that only takes one click of a mouse to do.
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Re: IP radio

Postby G4RMT » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:29 am

yep - I thought similar. Whoever runs the channel, exactly like this forum, has the power of the off switch, and troublesome people just don't get access. I've yet to be disappointed, and at work yesterday loads of the Tec crew were listening to hams - confused a bit by the callsigns and stuff, but genuinely fascinated by the notion that I in Gt Yarmouth in Norfolk was talking to a stranger in Yarmouth on the Isle of White! I think it will generate new interest in ham radio, from the enjoyment side. Those people who get used to random chats world wide may actually then want to move on to radio, rather than those who learn the bare minimum to pass the test, then give it up after a short time because the real core interest - in talking to strangers - simply isn't there.
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Re: IP radio

Postby G4RMT » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:48 pm

They arrived, so I stuck one in the van with Zello on it. Working a treat. No need to install anything else to make the mic work - just a case of telling android which button to use and it works.

I'm really pleased with it - nice big screen and plenty of volume too!
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Re: IP radio

Postby G4RMT » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:26 pm

I'm beginning to think selling the spare on ebay is bad news. I've had two sensible questions - about size, and exactly what software is on it and what needs to be sourced, but I've had a couple berating make for calling it a 'radio', and another saying I should have made it clear it does not use amateur radio channels, and another that basically says that I must have got it by dodgy means because it's cheaper than the only other source on ebay - so it must be broken, or stolen or otherwise illegitimate. What are people on?

So far, it's rarely quiet, and if it is, a simple call brings back people in the same way the local repeater doesn't! Chatting mobile to somebody in Australia and Greece is kind of interesting - especially with the time difference. I'm sold - maybe once a few others on here are using it we can share some useful channels we find. Network Radios ch01, 02 and 03 seem enough for the moment.
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Re: IP radio

Postby Southwales » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:57 pm

Hi, I purchased the Inrico T320, happy apart from the speaker or something else inside the radio makes a rattling noise if you set the volume above 50%, anyone else find this problem when using this radio or other network radios? https://youtu.be/wp_gQZciJhI

I was told because it was cheap you can not expect much more, but if you compare it to a £20 baofeng that has a decent sounding speaker I would not say it was that cheap at £170.
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Re: IP radio

Postby bigboyblue » Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:56 pm

Motorola are about to release IP radios, on their 'waveoncloud' system. Can be linked with normal repeated mototrbo kit as well via the repeater via IP / internet link.
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Re: IP radio

Postby m0lsx » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:57 am

bigboyblue wrote:Motorola are about to release IP radios, on their 'waveoncloud' system. Can be linked with normal repeated mototrbo kit as well via the repeater via IP / internet link.


Lets hope that Amateur Radio manufacturers also catch on to the bonuses of this facility too. Mobile & handheld radios with IP ability would add to the hobby & maybe even bring some of us back to a point where we consider once again using a VHF/UHF FM radio once again. It is why I brought my Imrico T298s. It can operate on UHF & IP.
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Re: IP radio

Postby G4RMT » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:01 pm

Another buying possibility for you all - Anysecu A17 IP67 water proofing on a small handheld. Arrived this morning and accepting that the small display isn't hugely easy to type on with chunky fingers - it worked brilliantly. It's old fashioned phone size, and has a small antenna on the top. Downloaded Zello, and I've had some chats this morning on it with an other of the cheap SIMs Alan linked to - 500MB/month EE. The best thing is that it also works as a phone, which the vehicle one doesn't (yet) as it has no internal mic, just the speaker mic which only routes to apps, not the phone side. The Anysecu A17 lets you use it like phone too - which is great, and it even has a torch and belt clip. Takes photos and video too, but not a totally wonderful image - perfectly workable. The only downside is it is very loud, so leaving it on a group that suddenly bursts into activity can be a surprise. Especially if it's locked and you need to unlock, go in and slide the volume slider. I have not found a magic 'silence' button yet! for 50 quid it's brilliant value.
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